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The TEA Party can win primaries. Can they win general elections?

It would be nice if the TEA Party represented a definable belief system.

Yes, I know that the TEA Parties share three common beliefs:

  • Fiscal Responsibility
  • Constitutionally Limited Government
  • Free Markets

But this is a lot like saying that you believe in mom, apple pie and God. I fully support all of the above.

Reality however is that we mostly know what the TEA Party protests against. And we know about their willingness to trash fellow Republicans that are otherwise deemed conservative by virtue alone of their American Conservative Union (ACU) ratings.

As to WHAT the TEA Partyers actually believe and would like to see done in the real world: the reality is that there is no ‘there’ there.

If elected what would they do?

If elected what could they do?

At some point the TEA Party must come to terms that just as they dislike ‘policies’ they themselves must be willing to offer policies.

Policies require 51% of Congressional votes. If every TEA Party candidate was elected would they even have 2% or 3% of Congress’s members?

How responsive would western Republicans (non social conservatives) and New England Republicans (moderates) be when it comes time for cooperation?

The general elections will be very different than the Republican primaries. It is not like anyone believes the TEA Party to be any more than an element of the Republican Party. Surveys of TEA members show that they plan to vote 90-97% Republican … so TEA itself makes no effort to reach out to the center.

November will be interesting.

STRONG TEA Party primary victories could actually cause the Democrats to make a comeback in November — heresy I know but with 99% of Republicans being RINOs in their own party then I’m sure that all of the (dis)unity will cause people to think twice.

I write this as a libertarian conservative independent. Identifying wrong and bad is good. Getting people to believe that you are the right person for the job to fix the problem is harder. Since we have no clue what TEA Partyers are offering as policy, my vote will go to those that offer details.

As an independent some of my votes are going to Democrats and to RINOs. I am not willing to trade normal gridlock for even more gridlock and more chaos. Five minutes after the November elections are over, TEA Partyers and their ultraconservative allies will immediately start their 2012 campaign with intent to evolve the Republican Party from the Party of No to the Party of Hell No!

No thank you.


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Are Political Labels Bad? Are They Accurate?

A Tea Party Patriots discussion on Facebook asked:

“Are labels bad? Conservative? Liberal? Republican? Democrat? Should we avoid labels? Shouldn’t we care about issues and quality candidates that support those issues? What are your issues?”

My response:

Are labels bad? No.

Are labels accurate? Not very often.

I’m for “free markets” but most so-called free market advocates are really just corporate welfare apologists.

I’m conservative and for small, less intrusive government. But many so-called conservatives are all for government control of people’s lives.

I’m all for efficient and less government. But if you spend it then you must tax to pay for it. That includes wars.

I’m all for less taxes. But cutting taxes without cutting spending is absolute madness. $9 trillion of the $13 trillion of national debt was accumulated under Republican-controlled presidents and congresses.

Are labels bad? No.

Are labels accurate? Not very often.

aka JeffersonConservative.com

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Tea Party Adieu … Jefferson Sought Reasoned Argument And So Do I

by Bill Golden
JeffersonConservative.com aka Bill4DogCatcher.com

I wish the Tea Party well. Have met many fine people, many smart and concerned people. But it is time to say adieu!

America needs more than concern. America needs leadership. The Tea Party has become a form of anarchy that is undermining our Republic.

It has become anarchic in that many of its members feel free to attack almost every aspect of our republican democracy without also feeling compelled to state what policies they would pursue. Reasoned debate within Tea Party online discussion areas quickly degenerates into red, white and blue flag waving without regard for fact or real debate. This is not me.

The three core concerns of the Tea Party (Patriots) are my concerns:

  • Fiscal Responsibility
  • Constitutionally Limited Government
  • Free Markets

As a Jeffersonian I will continue to embrace these issues.

If Jefferson were alive today I do believe that he would have become active in the Tea Party movement. And I believe that Jefferson would have also moved on to seek other ways and groups to pursue fiscal responsibility, constitutionally limited government, and debate about the best way to establish and to sustain those elusive free markets.

We need to debate and to seek solutions together as Americans. Jefferson and Madison and the many other founders of our nation were absolutely brillant in the path that they created for us to follow as a nation going forward.

Our forebears also realized that times change. Circumstances are never the same. ‘We the people’ may not agree with the prior generation of ‘we the people’.

Thomas Jefferson constantly was concerned that government was becoming too powerful, yet he also looked to the people to decide for themselves — realizing that the choices of his fellow Americans may not be his choices.

    Jefferson, 1788: “We are now vibrating between too much and too little government, and the pendulum will rest finally in the middle.” — written to Samuel Smith, 1788.

    Jefferson, 1792: “Every people may establish what form of government they please, and change it as they please, the will of the nation being the only thing essential.” — Anas, 1792

    Jefferson, 1815: “Difference of opinion leads to enquiry, and enquiry to truth; and I am sure…we both value too much the freedom of opinion sanctioned by our Constitution, not to cherish its exercise even where in opposition to ourselves.” — written to P. H. Wendover, 1815.

    Jefferson, 1817: “Ignorance and bigotry, like other insanities, are incapable of self-government.” — written to Lafayette, 1817.

    Jefferson, 1820: “We exist, and are quoted, as standing proofs that a government, so modeled as to rest continually on the will of the whole society, is a practicable government.” — written to Richard Rush, 1820.

    Jefferson, 1824: “I have learned to be less confident in the conclusions of human reason, and give more credit to the honesty of contrary opinions.” — written to Edward Livingston, 1824.

Again, I have met many fine and justly concerned Americans in the Tea Party movement. I am moving on because largely the Tea Party has not embraced that great Jeffersonian conversation and debate about where America could and should be going. The Tea Party has become largely a loosely organized anarchy against government in general without ideas or proposed policies, and most certainly of all there is very little potential for honest debate under the Tea Party banner except privately among individual members.


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Tea Party Demographics – Wealthy And Well-Educated … But Is There A Plan?

I recently cofounded a unique beast in Prince William County, Virginia: Prince William’s Future, which is both a Tea Party and Coffee Party chapter.

OK, so maybe I’m a little crazy at times. Maybe crazy like a fox or just plain crazy. History will judge me. I’m ignoring all judgments prior to history’s final opinion.

What I can tell you is that the Tea Party will make itself felt as a political power between now and the 2012 election. What happens after that I have a hunch about … but will save that for another blog item.

Per a recent New York Times/CBS Poll: Tea Party supporters are wealthier and more well-educated than the general public … the 18% of Americans who identify as Tea Party tend to be Republican, white, male, married and older than 45 … they are more conservative than Republicans in general and responded to theĀ  CBS/NY Times poll as more “angry” than “dissatisfied” … and the majority do NOT want Sarah Palin for president.

This NY Times/CBS poll is actually a very good demographic description of the Tea Party Movement, and is the first ever attempt to investigate and to present a picture of what the Tea Party is comprised of within its support base.

The level of support in the belief system of Tea Party supporters is very stark:

  • 90%+ of Tea Party supporters think the country is headed in the wrong direction, compared with about 60 percent of the general public.
  • Nearly 9 in 10 disapprove of the job Mr. Obama is doing over all, and about the same percentage fault his handling of major issues: health care, the economy and the federal budget deficit.
  • 92% believe Mr. Obama is moving the country toward socialism, an opinion shared by more than half of the general public.

Bill4DogCatcher thinks:

— The country is indeed headed in the wrong direction, but it was well on its way before President Obama arrived. President Obama has also done good, too.

— On policy, President Obama gets a solid ‘C’. On health care he did what he said he would, his economic policies are a continuation of Bush’s policies almost without any modification, and on the federal budget deficit: it is only some amount of time before the U.S. government and we as a nation will be forced to declare bankruptcy. Our economic problems are not all due to Obama, probably most are NOT … but recent trends (financial collapse, bailouts, stimulus spending, the health care bill from hell) led Federal Reserve Chief Bernanke to warn last week that just our ANNUAL interest payments on the national debt/deficit could easily hit $1 Trillion by 2020. (Tim Geithner acknowledges that it is a possible scenario, but doesn’t believe it probable … probably with his fingers crossed.)

— Leading the country to socialism? No. President Obama is a traditional liberal. That doesn’t make him a socialist. But if he were a socialist what would it matter in a democracy where socialists can be voted out of office — socialists are democratic, too.

My greatest disappointment in President Obama is that he failed to deliver on open and transparent government. He could probably have allayed many of the concerns that Americans have about him if he had started off just delivering that simple promise.

As for Tea Partyers, I am also disappointed in the Tea Party. There is too much focus on emotional appeals ‘to save the nation’ and a distinct lack of intellectual honesty when it comes to critique of President Obama.

In my book, many Tea Partyers are angry because they gambled that Obama could be defeated. And they lost. They gambled that health care reform could be torpedoed and they lost.

To my fellow Tea Partyers: take a deep breath and consider: by looking the other way and not taking care of business from 2000-2008 made the election of President Obama possible.

I was very vocal on the national debt in 2004 and 2005 — when President Bush’s own numbers showed that we had lost the ability to maintain, much less tame, national debt. But my voice was a very lonely voice, except for the Concord Coalition.

Continued refusal to think a little deeper about how we got here will probably create a situation where we end up Bill Clinton II — after he and the Democrats were neutered in 1994, Clinton went on to achieve some impressive things in his second term because he had the power of the veto pen. Once Republicans took Congress they had to act like they were in power — and to do that they had to get past that veto pen.

We all should take a deep breath: wealthy or poor, well educated or otherwise. Let’s drop the name calling and try working together. We cannot do this alone. And certainly 18% of America is enough folks to make life miserable for our political opponents, but it is not a future without a rational plan — someone does have a plan, right?


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Tea Party Events Being Sabotaged By Outside Group? Maybe So!

NOT GOOD – It appears that there is a group of individuals that are out to misbehave at Tea Party events so the Tea Partyers get the credit — in a manner of speaking.

If the Tea Partyers are so wrong that they naturally trip themselves up then why would they need an outside group to impersonate them and to cause problems?

Wrong is wrong. This is very wrong and calls into question much of the recent reported misbehavior on the part of Tea Partyers — especially since we know that some of the most significant misbehavior reported during the March 20th and 21st health care bill vote did not actually happen as reported by the press.

The group causing mischief is CrashTheTeaParty.org.

From the CrashTheTeaParty.org website:

About Us

WHO WE ARE: A nationwide network of Democrats, Republicans, and Independents who are all sick and tired of that loose affiliation of racists, homophobes, and morons; who constitute the fake grass-roots movement which calls itself “The Tea Party.”

WHAT WE WANT: To dismantle and demolish the Tea Party by any non-violent means necessary.

HOW WE WILL SUCCEED: By infiltrating the Tea party itself! In an effort to propagate their pre-existing propensity for paranoia and suspicion…We have already sat quietly in their meetings, and observed their rallies.

Whenever possible, we will act on behalf of the Tea Party in ways which exaggerate their least appealing qualities (misspelled protest signs, wild claims in TV interviews, etc.) to further distance them from mainstream America and damage the public’s opinion of them. We will also use the inside information that we have gained in order to disrupt and derail their plans.

Sound like fun? It is!! If you’d like to join us, just click on the word “crash!” below…

More info at http://www.crashtheteaparty.org/

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What You Believe Is Not As Important As …

What you believe is not as important as why you believe what you do.

I would challenge you: if you cannot make a good argument from the opposing view’s perspective then you have not spent much time thinking about why you believe what you do.

In an age where information is just a google away, it is not uncommon for us to find some information source or personality that reinforces what we want to believe.

Challenge authority! Whether you are conservative or liberal or just looking for some different approach, look beyond the talking points. Ditto for everyone else. Do not be a tool. Do not let people create and then attempt to channel your anger or frustration.

Seldom is there a good answer. Life and issues are complex. Simplistic answers seldom are right.

Reach out. Find someone that honestly disagrees with your perspective and ask why? Who do you believe? How do you know? What would you do?

America will be a better place if we all asked why and challenged authority.

This blog item by William Golden, aka Bill4DogCatcher.com and JeffersonConservative.com — possibly the only TEA and Coffee party website on the internet.


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Coffee Or Tea? They Have Lots In Common!

Watch CBS Interview of Coffee and TEA Party Representatives Online

The Coffee Party may have started as a reaction to the Tea Party, but the two movements share common goals, representatives of both groups said today on “Washington Unplugged.” They can even agree that a little shouting every now and then is tolerable.

TEA Party co-chairs Mark Meckler and Jenny Beth Martin plus Coffee Party spokesperson Alan Alborn met with CBS moderator John Dickerson for a joint interview and exchange of ideas on March 17th, 2010.

Alan Alborn, a spokesperson for the Coffee Party, said that his movement similarly feels “we’re not being heard, we’re under-represented, and we don’t have an outlet to share our issues.” And while the Coffee Party may seem like a “liberal” version of the Tea Party, “the fact is, everybody’s welcome,” said Alborn, who identifies as a fiscally conservative independent.

“We’re focused on obeying the law and being nonviolent,” added Tea Party co-chair Jenny Beth Martin. “Loud voices don’t necessarily mean anything but ‘listen to me.'”

Watch the full exchange below, as well as a preview of CBS News correspondent Sharyl Attkisson’s CBS Evening News report on the so-called “Slaughter rule”.

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